Thrice – Beggars

Of all the things that have been studied, one doesn’t see much in science pertaining to the development of music in relation to the development of a human being. As silly a claim it may sound, bands like Thrice almost seem to follow such a pattern; albums like The Illusion of Safety resembling early adolescence, The Artist In the Ambulance as later adolescence, Vheissu as young adulthood, and The Alchemy Index as later adulthood. Though this phenomenon isn’t limited to Thrice alone, the band’s career is very human in this sense, as a result of its natural and logical progression, in which the music matures as the band matures.

However, 2009 seems to mark a break in the pattern, as Beggars is anything but natural. In fact, throughout its forty-plus minutes of music, everything seems so forced, that even a middle-aged celibate would cringe from the tension. Explicitly one of the record’s highlights, the Air-esque “Circles”, insists on a post-rock sound that just won’t work, stretching to four minutes of senseless atmospherics (if one can even call it that). However, despite the style of the latter track, the bulk of Beggars seems to beg for a mainstream indie rock vibe  (“Doublespeak” almost has a certain playfulness to it). One should should not doubt the band’s musicianship over these factors, as it is a direction Thrice have seldom taken, very unlike the mellow and epic mold their music usually follows. It simply sounds dishonest and uninspired – as if they were held at gunpoint, and forced to write the album as they did.

Beggars also seems to lack the dynamic structure that the band’s music is known for. This is interesting, considering the band themselves cited the album as a more “energetic” release. But it isn’t energy that is particularly lacking; there is a considerable amount, but it’s how it is utilized in the song structure. For instance, Thrice have always exemplified a great amount of skill in building powerful choruses (and climaxes in general), which can be seen with songs like “The Earth Will Shake” on Vheissu, or “Daedalus” on The Alchemy Index. However, they seem to struggle with this on Beggars, with songs like “The Weight” and “In Exile”, sounding so passionless in comparison to the former tracks. Dustin Kensrue has a stunning voice, and normally, he and Teppei Teranishi never cease to make it shine, but their latest effort is quite vocally underwhelming, as Dustin hardly gets a chance to use his voice to its full potential.

It’s difficult to find anything good about this record, especially when comparing it to masterpieces like The Artist in the Ambulance and Vheissu. One has to admire Thrice’s determination with writing a seemingly different record each time around, but perhaps it would be wiser for the band to spend more time on their writing and recording (considering the last The Alchemy Index came out only last year) rather than rush into releasing something so sub-par in an otherwise flawless discography. If Beggars is to resemble anything in the band’s development, it would definitely be a mid-life crisis.

(4.0/10)

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  • ansdada

    hey buddy, they spent plenty of time on this. yes the alchemy index vols. iii and iv came out last year, but only for sales and timing reasons. it was done in 2007 i believe. and you call "The Weight" passionless!?!?! It may be the most passion i have ever heard in a song, perhaps even more than in "Daedalus"

  • ansdada

    hey buddy, they spent plenty of time on this. yes the alchemy index vols. iii and iv came out last year, but only for sales and timing reasons. it was done in 2007 i believe. and you call "The Weight" passionless!?!?! It may be the most passion i have ever heard in a song, perhaps even more than in "Daedalus"

  • ansdada

    hey buddy, they spent plenty of time on this. yes the alchemy index vols. iii and iv came out last year, but only for sales and timing reasons. it was done in 2007 i believe. and you call "The Weight" passionless!?!?! It may be the most passion i have ever heard in a song, perhaps even more than in "Daedalus"

  • ansdada

    hey buddy, they spent plenty of time on this. yes the alchemy index vols. iii and iv came out last year, but only for sales and timing reasons. it was done in 2007 i believe. and you call "The Weight" passionless!?!?! It may be the most passion i have ever heard in a song, perhaps even more than in "Daedalus"

  • danny

    Woah!! is this a joke?? I think almost everyone agrees this is their least contrived work ever. It feels so honest. The weight passionless?? Although Vheissu is their masterpiece this is a terrific album!

  • danny

    Woah!! is this a joke?? I think almost everyone agrees this is their least contrived work ever. It feels so honest. The weight passionless?? Although Vheissu is their masterpiece this is a terrific album!

  • danny

    Woah!! is this a joke?? I think almost everyone agrees this is their least contrived work ever. It feels so honest. The weight passionless?? Although Vheissu is their masterpiece this is a terrific album!

  • danny

    Woah!! is this a joke?? I think almost everyone agrees this is their least contrived work ever. It feels so honest. The weight passionless?? Although Vheissu is their masterpiece this is a terrific album!

  • jtizzle

    this review is the work of a biased kunt. thats all i have to say about that

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      Biased towards what? Thrice is one of my favourite bands, and I enjoy the direction their music is going in. The last Alchemy Index was brilliant, which naturally left me with high expectations for their following effort, and it just didn't deliver.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      Biased towards what? Thrice is one of my favourite bands, and I enjoy the direction their music is going in. The last Alchemy Index was brilliant, which naturally left me with high expectations for their following effort, and it just didn't deliver.

  • jtizzle

    this review is the work of a biased kunt. thats all i have to say about that

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

    I found it very contrived, particularly because in so many songs ("The Weight", for instance) it seems like they're building towards a climax, or a stunning bridge, and then the result is very underwhelming – not as powerful as it prepared itself to be.
    On the other hand, avoiding the things that I mentioned perhaps makes the music less predictable, and thus better. But even if that was their aim, I found it poorly executed.
    I also didn't connect with the concept on this album at all – the lyrics hardly draw any attention, if you ask me.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

    I found it very contrived, particularly because in so many songs ("The Weight", for instance) it seems like they're building towards a climax, or a stunning bridge, and then the result is very underwhelming – not as powerful as it prepared itself to be.
    On the other hand, avoiding the things that I mentioned perhaps makes the music less predictable, and thus better. But even if that was their aim, I found it poorly executed.
    I also didn't connect with the concept on this album at all – the lyrics hardly draw any attention, if you ask me.

  • Rodeo

    man .. .so far off .. not even funny

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      What is far off?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      What is far off?

  • Rodeo

    man .. .so far off .. not even funny

  • Paulystew

    bugu you should just stop writing coming off like a duesh

  • Paulystew

    bugu you should just stop writing coming off like a duesh

  • Paulystew

    bugu you should just stop writing coming off like a duesh

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

    I actually expected people hating on this review a lot sooner than this. I fully back Vuk's opinion on this one though – what happened to them on this record? Snoozefest 2k9.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

    I actually expected people hating on this review a lot sooner than this. I fully back Vuk's opinion on this one though – what happened to them on this record? Snoozefest 2k9.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AlecMcKay AlecMcKay

    lol, did the Thrice board get a hold of this just now or something?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

      no, someone posted it on the Thrice facebook page.

      • http://www.facebook.com/brook183 Anthony Brooks

        that was me :)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AlecMcKay AlecMcKay

    lol, did the Thrice board get a hold of this just now or something?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AlecMcKay AlecMcKay

    lol, did the Thrice board get a hold of this just now or something?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

      no, someone posted it on the Thrice facebook page.

      • http://www.facebook.com/brook183 Anthony Brooks

        that was me :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/brook183 Anthony Brooks

        that was me :)

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

      no, someone posted it on the Thrice facebook page.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

      no, someone posted it on the Thrice facebook page.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AlecMcKay AlecMcKay

    lol, did the Thrice board get a hold of this just now or something?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AlecMcKay AlecMcKay

    the funny thing is, I think everyone who writes on this website LOVES Thrice. They are still one of the best bands making music, we all acknowledge that, Beggars unfortunately was boring as all fuck.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AlecMcKay AlecMcKay

    the funny thing is, I think everyone who writes on this website LOVES Thrice. They are still one of the best bands making music, we all acknowledge that, Beggars unfortunately was boring as all fuck.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AlecMcKay AlecMcKay

    the funny thing is, I think everyone who writes on this website LOVES Thrice. They are still one of the best bands making music, we all acknowledge that, Beggars unfortunately was boring as all fuck.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AlecMcKay AlecMcKay

    the funny thing is, I think everyone who writes on this website LOVES Thrice. They are still one of the best bands making music, we all acknowledge that, Beggars unfortunately was boring as all fuck.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

    Exactly. Artist and Vheissu still remain two of my favourite albums ever, but I am not going to say Beggars is awesome just because it has Thrice's name on the cover.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      This is the impression I'm getting from what most people seem to be saying about this album. Everyone seems to acknowledge that it's not as good an album as their previous works, yet it's somehow okay because they're Thrice.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      This is the impression I'm getting from what most people seem to be saying about this album. Everyone seems to acknowledge that it's not as good an album as their previous works, yet it's somehow okay because they're Thrice.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

    Exactly. Artist and Vheissu still remain two of my favourite albums ever, but I am not going to say Beggars is awesome just because it has Thrice's name on the cover.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

    Exactly. Artist and Vheissu still remain two of my favourite albums ever, but I am not going to say Beggars is awesome just because it has Thrice's name on the cover.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      This is the impression I'm getting from what most people seem to be saying about this album. Everyone seems to acknowledge that it's not as good an album as their previous works, yet it's somehow okay because they're Thrice.

  • Mariana

    PSHHHH.
    I don't even know what to say about this…

  • Mariana

    PSHHHH.
    I don't even know what to say about this…

  • ansdada

    these songs are all masterfully crafted. the lyrics are astounding, the best ive ever heard of any album. it may not be "hardcore" enough for some, but i believe it is just as good as TAITA of Vheissu

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

      It is not about the album being 'hardcore' or heavy, it is about it not being boring. The best parts of any Thrice albums are the melodies – vocally or musically – and there are none that grab you on this album. The reason Vheissu was (and still is) incredible is because it leaves a lasting impression (it is easy to recall the choruses from "For Miles", "The Earth Will Shake" and "Music Box" off the top of my head). After sitting through a listen of this, I couldn't remember a single track. It all blended together into one giant, boring soundscape.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

      It is not about the album being 'hardcore' or heavy, it is about it not being boring. The best parts of any Thrice albums are the melodies – vocally or musically – and there are none that grab you on this album. The reason Vheissu was (and still is) incredible is because it leaves a lasting impression (it is easy to recall the choruses from "For Miles", "The Earth Will Shake" and "Music Box" off the top of my head). After sitting through a listen of this, I couldn't remember a single track. It all blended together into one giant, boring soundscape.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

      It is not about the album being 'hardcore' or heavy, it is about it not being boring. The best parts of any Thrice albums are the melodies – vocally or musically – and there are none that grab you on this album. The reason Vheissu was (and still is) incredible is because it leaves a lasting impression (it is easy to recall the choruses from "For Miles", "The Earth Will Shake" and "Music Box" off the top of my head). After sitting through a listen of this, I couldn't remember a single track. It all blended together into one giant, boring soundscape.

  • ansdada

    these songs are all masterfully crafted. the lyrics are astounding, the best ive ever heard of any album. it may not be "hardcore" enough for some, but i believe it is just as good as TAITA of Vheissu

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/hearwax Logan Broger

      It is not about the album being 'hardcore' or heavy, it is about it not being boring. The best parts of any Thrice albums are the melodies – vocally or musically – and there are none that grab you on this album. The reason Vheissu was (and still is) incredible is because it leaves a lasting impression (it is easy to recall the choruses from "For Miles", "The Earth Will Shake" and "Music Box" off the top of my head). After sitting through a listen of this, I couldn't remember a single track. It all blended together into one giant, boring soundscape.

  • ansdada

    and i'd still like to know how "The Weight" is passionless. it is a brilliantly written and sung love song

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      It has absolutely nothing to do with it not being "hardcore" enough, and I really don't see how that implication arose.
      Logan pretty much hit the nail on the head, and I believe I mentioned why I find it passionless, several times throughout the comments and the review itself.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      It has absolutely nothing to do with it not being "hardcore" enough, and I really don't see how that implication arose.
      Logan pretty much hit the nail on the head, and I believe I mentioned why I find it passionless, several times throughout the comments and the review itself.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      It has absolutely nothing to do with it not being "hardcore" enough, and I really don't see how that implication arose.
      Logan pretty much hit the nail on the head, and I believe I mentioned why I find it passionless, several times throughout the comments and the review itself.

  • ansdada

    and i'd still like to know how "The Weight" is passionless. it is a brilliantly written and sung love song

  • ansdada

    and i'd still like to know how "The Weight" is passionless. it is a brilliantly written and sung love song

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

      It has absolutely nothing to do with it not being "hardcore" enough, and I really don't see how that implication arose.
      Logan pretty much hit the nail on the head, and I believe I mentioned why I find it passionless, several times throughout the comments and the review itself.

  • Zap

    I Think This Album is beautiful and well written, especially In Exile, At Last and Talking Through Glass ! I don't think this is worse than any of their previous albums, infact i think it is almost better than Vheissu. I even fear that it becomes so popular that cruel record companies come, take them under their wings and make them produce some commercial shit for a better marketing…But okay just my opinion! maybe it takes a bit longer to you guys to like it :) same thing with Vheissu for me.

  • Zap

    I Think This Album is beautiful and well written, especially In Exile, At Last and Talking Through Glass ! I don't think this is worse than any of their previous albums, infact i think it is almost better than Vheissu. I even fear that it becomes so popular that cruel record companies come, take them under their wings and make them produce some commercial shit for a better marketing…But okay just my opinion! maybe it takes a bit longer to you guys to like it :) same thing with Vheissu for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brook183 Anthony Brooks

    "the Weight" is sung so damn well by dustin, very passionately

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gergs Gergs

      Didn't he already explain his reasoning for this review? Did you read through the comments?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gergs Gergs

      Didn't he already explain his reasoning for this review? Did you read through the comments?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gergs Gergs

      Didn't he already explain his reasoning for this review? Did you read through the comments?

  • http://www.facebook.com/brook183 Anthony Brooks

    "the Weight" is sung so damn well by dustin, very passionately

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Gergs Gergs

      Didn't he already explain his reasoning for this review? Did you read through the comments?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/withoutwaves Sean May

    Yeah. That's right. This is my album of the year… people are just hating because it's not their kind of music. As someone who found The Alchemy Index on a whole boring as fuck… this was a big time improvement and it generally felt like a COMPLETE album as a whole instead of a bunch of dabs and experiments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/withoutwaves Sean May

    Yeah. That's right. This is my album of the year… people are just hating because it's not their kind of music. As someone who found The Alchemy Index on a whole boring as fuck… this was a big time improvement and it generally felt like a COMPLETE album as a whole instead of a bunch of dabs and experiments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/withoutwaves Sean May

    Yeah. That's right. This is my album of the year… people are just hating because it's not their kind of music. As someone who found The Alchemy Index on a whole boring as fuck… this was a big time improvement and it generally felt like a COMPLETE album as a whole instead of a bunch of dabs and experiments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/withoutwaves Sean May

    Yeah. That's right. This is my album of the year… people are just hating because it's not their kind of music. As someone who found The Alchemy Index on a whole boring as fuck… this was a big time improvement and it generally felt like a COMPLETE album as a whole instead of a bunch of dabs and experiments.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bugu bugu

    Biased towards what? Thrice is one of my favourite bands, and I enjoy the direction their music is going in. The last Alchemy Index was brilliant, which naturally left me with high expectations for their following effort, and it just didn't deliver.